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第35节:人生文学与历史(10)

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柏杨:我想我只是讲历史事实,因为时代和环境的转变、教育的导向,现时代可能不再会这样。龙腾小说网ltxsba.com而且我相信你的诚心,也相信你做得到。

听众b:我想您的诠释,也许跟我的不太一样。

柏杨:我要强调一点,中国的专制政治和西洋的专制政治,在深度和广度上,差异很大。西洋历史我还没有开始念(笑声),不过我觉得有所不同。比较起来,中国专制是极端的,西洋宫廷里只跪一条腿,只有对上帝才跪两条腿,对人恐怕很少跪两条腿。中国不但跪两条腿,而且还要磕头,而且还要磕响头(笑声)。清王朝末年有句话说:多磕头,少说话。所以我想中国专制的内涵、专制的程度,恐怕跟西洋不一样。我看过法国路易十四一幅油画,路易十四坐在当中,大臣坐在旁边,皇后也坐在旁边,这种情形在中国不可能发生,中国的大臣一定是战战兢兢,诚惶诚恐地跪在下面。

听众b:我想……

主席:请等一下,让别人有机会问问题。

听众c:我从小就看过柏杨先生的书,今天能看到柏杨先生,非常感动。讲到中国人的个性、民族性、政府,刚才柏杨先生从古代史一直谈到近代史,而我们对现代史比较关心。第一个问题是,我们不知道柏杨先生来美国之后,讲话的开放性有多大?您讲话能讲到什么程度才能够回到台湾……(笑声)第二个问题是,中国人的个性常常因为政府而受影响,譬如政府常常喜欢愚民,很多地方明明大家已经知道了,他还是要压住,让大家感觉很多事都是很secret。不讲实话也是中国官场想要达到政治目的的手段。

主席:两分钟。

听众c:我对绿岛大学很有兴趣——我当然没有兴趣进去(笑声),但我有兴趣了解,我想知道一下绿岛大学校长是谁,教务长是谁(笑声),行政机构,还有是不是叫“长官”之类,如果您方便的话就讲,不方便就不勉强。

听众d:我想我们今天是不是应该尊重主席的要求,还是少谈政治。柏杨先生今天提出很多问题,是非常严肃的,我想我们是不是可以把兴趣摆在这些问题上来讨论,至于其他问题……

听众e:请问这位先生是不是柏杨先生?哪位是?(听众骚动声忽起,并有人鼓掌。)

主席:我们还是尊重个人发表意见好不好?

听众f:我手边有本《柏杨语录》,我们谈太多话不行,主持人刚才说的话,我想我们的民主还有一个特点,你这本书里没有提到,就是不可以提政治问题(哄堂大笑,掌声不绝)。

听众g:今天柏杨先生谈到学术问题,您研究历史得了五个结论,前四个结论我可以百分之八十同意,最后一个结论说,中国人口太多,所以造成我们今天这种不幸,这个问题我有个疑问。日本,他的国家很小,人口也很多,但他们生活水平很高,他们没有接受我们官场文化的缺点,所以有今天的成果。我认为不是我们中国人口太多,才造成我们这种不幸,假如我们把工商业做得很好,假如我们改变了我们的病态和缺点,我们中国人可以维持这个现状,甚至我们更可以容纳一倍的人口。我们不应该说中国人口太多,就要限制我们的人口,就要去侵略人家,或者互相残杀。这是个现象,现象和结果是不能混在一起的。所以我的结论是,我们研究中国历史,并不是我们人口太多造成不幸、灾难、贫穷。我们很可以在中国这么大的领土上再容纳多一倍的人口,没有问题(笑声)。假如我们的科学、文明的发展,可以达到一个水平的话,我想我们的生活水平,不会低于日本。

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