第一千零三十四章 私化
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看来韩艺今日就是打算语不惊人死不休啊!
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卖了?
将朝廷的船坞卖了?
你这不是在开玩笑吗?
李治愣了半响,纳闷道:“卖了?卖给谁?”
“商人!”韩艺简单明了的回应道。
“一派胡言!”
许敬宗愤怒道:“朝廷花了这么人力物力来修建这船坞,你竟然想要将其卖了,那朝廷用什么?”
韩艺不答反问道:“敢问许大学士,朝廷造船为了什么?”
许敬宗道:“当然是为了运送货物。”
“这不就是了!”韩艺道:“我大唐又没有什么水上敌人,不怎么需要水战,因此建造货船是主要的,那么有货船运就行了,干嘛非得自己去造,将船坞卖给商人,商人建船,朝廷要运送货物,出钱古人去运送就行了啊!干嘛一切都得自己造,自己运。”
李义府纳闷道:“朝廷自己建造不是更好么,为什么要让商人造?到时朝廷要运送什么,还得出钱求人。”
韩艺道:“那都只是小钱,朝廷自己造出得钱更多,我身为户部尚书,当然要为国家财政着想。”
李治皱眉道:“此话又从何说起?”
韩艺道:“回禀陛下,微臣去户部上任之后,看过不少朝廷的工程,陛下也知道微臣自己也搞了不少工程,对这方面比较熟悉,尤其价格方面,微臣发现一个非常特殊的现象,就是朝廷的工程出的钱要远远高于微臣的工程。”
李治听得面色一黑,道:“你的意思是有人从中贪污?”
大臣们皆是一惊,这佃农风波刚刚过去,你不会又要来一场反腐风波吧!
“倒也不是!”
韩艺摇摇头,道:“其实道理很简单,朝廷出钱兴建工程,这钱是属于国家的,不属于任何一个人的,对于任何一个人而言,那当然能捞一点是一点,能多一点是一点,反正不是自己的钱,浪费就浪费了,无所谓的。这就造成明明只需要一船木材的工程,可能报就报两船,户部对此也不清楚,更不愿意为了这点钱,去得罪别人,这积少成多。大到朝廷大员,小到工匠,有便宜就占,反正是国家的钱。
但是私人的话,就不同了,那是属于私人的钱,必须精打细算,决不能浪费,谁要敢从中浑水摸鱼,那便是偷盗,私人就会告到官府去了,可是朝廷的工程,朝廷便也就是官府,官府不可能自己告自己。陛下若是不信的话,微臣可以拿自由之美制作丝绸的成本与朝廷官署制造丝绸的成本比较一下,自由之美还得支付工钱,可成本也低于官署制丝绸的成本,而且就一般的来比,自由之美的还要更好一些。”
李治目光一扫,见大臣们都不做声,心知韩艺说得肯定是真的,而且这个比较一下就出来了,心里很不开心,国库的钱,虽说也不是属于他的,但是跟他千丝万缕的关系,你们就这样浪费国库的钱,这下去如何得了。
李义府也不蠢,这样做的话,很多官员就没得捞了,而且又增加了户部的权力,出售船坞肯定是户部的事,道:“韩侍郎莫不是说工部从中贪污国家的钱?”
阎立本皱了下眉头,心里很是委屈。
韩艺笑道:“我可没有这么说,我的意思是,这钱一旦出了国库,就如同一只掉进狼窟的绵羊,人人都想捞点回去,即便是不捞一点,他们也不会节省的,浪费就浪费,没有人会心疼的,不够的话就问朝廷要,这会让财政变得负载累累,因为朝廷不管做什么都是往外面洒钱,是难以盈利的。
另外,朝廷造船,官员都是不计成本,不去顾忌工匠的感受,一味的赶快,争取自己的政绩,还是那个道理,为什么隋炀帝建造船只就是劳民伤财,而这四个字从来没有出现在商人和地主的头上,这就是朝廷站在了百姓的对立面,而百姓又只是敢怒不敢言,最后积压成疾,就变成了官逼民反,商人要是敢这么做,百姓又不怕商人,肯定会告官府,就在祸端的开始就被朝廷给扼杀了,朝廷的形象就会变得更加在正义,因此微臣认为,何不让商人去造船,朝廷花钱雇商人运送就行了。”
李义府突然道:“如果说赚钱的话,如果所有的船只都是朝廷的,那么商人就需要雇佣朝廷的船来运送货物,朝廷便可赚钱啊。”
韩艺笑道:“商人才运送多少货物,主要还是朝廷需要从各地运送货物来长安,如果朝廷大肆建船,运送的多半都是朝廷货物,根本就不需要钱。”
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