第六节 机构改革（四）
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“老马啊，咱们既然有了元老纪律，纪委的工作怎么也得给咱们契卡来管啊，我们部门可一直战斗在反腐第一线，经验多，专业精……”裔凡揪住马甲，就差用哀求的口气说话了。
“你就这么想遭人恨啊。”马甲笑道。
“为了元老院的大业，我个人的荣辱都不在心上。”裔凡大义凛然。
“契卡的职能，现在还没完全定，”马甲说，“不过你可以放心，归化民干部反腐这块必然还是你的部门经手，至于是不是能管到纪委，恐怕还得讨论讨论……”
“你放心，苟利国家生与死，岂以祸福趋避之！我一定鞠躬尽瘁死而后已。”裔凡拍着胸脯表示自己的决心，他盘算着要不要透露几个重大腐败案的线索，最后决定还是暂时不说为妙――什么时候权限落到自己这里了，什么时候再说也来得及。
亦有人对纪律条例里的某些条款有异议，诸如经商和投献的问题。经商还可以理解，这是给元老家属开一个口子。但是投献条款里对元老家属能否接受投献未做规定，有人提出应该加以明确的禁止：
“投献本身是一个落后的，甚至可以说是有害的现象。应该在法律层面上彻底的予以禁止。”
“从法律层面禁止一切投献是很容易的，”于鄂水说，“加进去也好。但是一个条款不能解决全部问题，因为投献大多是以正常的买卖手续来进行的，完全可以做得合法。要防微杜渐的话最好连元老家属经商也禁止掉，”
“禁止元老家属经商未免太强人所难了吧。”马甲表示疑虑，“第一，元老们本身有这样的需求；第二，元老家属亦得有个体面的出路，总不见得人人去从政从军当干部，做技术人员科学家又不是每个人都有这个本事的。”
在契卡工作的金枝娇表达了意见：“我看过于馆长写得一些资料，投献的主要目的还是为了避税，咱们只要做到：征收合理，不至于无法负担；一视同仁，不管谁得企业或者土地，都要按章纳税，投献变得无利可图，还要担风险，自然就没人干了。”
“不，这事没这么简单。除了避税之外，投献的动机还有取得庇护的动机在内。这个庇护有两重意思，一是避免公私骚扰――这点在我们完成社会改造之后可以大致保证；另一面，亦可以利用元老的权势和影响力来争取更多的利益。这点恐怕是我们无法完全避免的。”马甲说，“投献这种现象，即使在21世纪的中国也以改头换面的形式存在，如果我们不能从制度上有所限制，仅仅以一条纪律条款的形式禁止是没有多大用处的。”
怎么从制度上进行限制？马甲的看法是必须降低元老对行政机关的影响力。在他看来这是托庇于元老最明显的优势所在――然而这也是最难做到的，甚至可以说是不可能做到的。元老院的行政机构几乎是完全依靠元老的领导才能正常运转的。目前在元老纪律条款中已经明确写入了元老不得以“写条子”或者“打招呼”的方式干涉行政程序，并且规定了元老的一切指示都要以书面形式存档。但是到底能起多大作用他是存疑的。
按照法学会的思路，元老在本部门本单位有很大的影响力这是不可避免的，也是现阶段必须容忍的，重点在于预防元老的“跨部门”影响力。特别是对归化民干部的影响力。为此法学会提出了一个重要的论点，那就是元老院必须效法皇帝，在归化民和土著中造就“生杀荣辱皆出于上恩”的印象。具体来说一切对归化民干部的奖惩，均必须强调出自“元老院”这个集体，而非某个元老。通过纪律条例的形式，严格禁止元老跨部门进行干预。
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