三一九 唇枪舌剑(五)
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三一九唇枪舌剑(五)
“前半部分当笑话看就行了,后半部分还有些讨论余地。龙腾小说网ltxs520.com当然,有些条款,我们是坚决不能答应的。”
阿德首先站出来定调子,他依然坚持刚才的看法:
“吕宋决不能给他们,一旦开了这个口子,将来打下来的其它地盘肯定会被要求同样对待,到时候咱们真他的成朝廷鹰犬了。”
“不然,我倒是觉得,咱们既然靠上明帝国这棵大树,就要尽量把它能带来的好处用足……”
庞雨却提出了不同意见:
“如果我们这次不同意把吕宋并入,那么就势必需要另外一个名义去统治当地——咱们自己建立一个国家?那这次与明王朝的谈判就毫无意义了。明帝国不可能允许另外一个自称为国家的势力占据海南岛,就算他们打不下海南,但我们和平合法进入大陆的计划也不可能实现了。”
“用琼海贸易公司的名义呢?就好像东印度公司那样?”
林峰提出一条新思路,这让旁边茱莉马上竖起耳朵,同时举双手赞同:
“我喜欢这个建议!”
但庞雨却依然摇头:
“不妥,光一个吕宋岛还可以用贸易公司名义进行统治,可如果以后有了更大的地盘?……再说我们开发南洋诸岛,肯定需要大量招募移民。这些移民只能去大陆上招,而刚才王璞的提醒很有道理:如果说去大明以外的区域,不要说明政府不可能答应,就是老百姓本身恐怕也不会接受,我们招人会很困难。”
“嗨,那算什么,招人的时候说来海南就是,上船后往吕宋一拉,还怕他们造反不成?”
人群中冒出这样的声音,但庞雨甚至懒得去反驳,只是摇摇头没搭理,自顾自接下去又道:
“除了普通劳力,我们还需要大量的基层管理人员,包括文官和吏员之类。如果完全依靠自己培养,恐怕很难满足需求,光现在菲律宾和台湾两处的人员缺口就不知何时才能填上呢。但其实只要控制住关键岗位,剩下的民政工作,我们完全可以利用明朝的读书人。我想大明的吏部会很乐意送人过来填补实缺……”
“你的意思是说我们今后打下来的土地全部要插上大明旗帜?让明朝官吏来管理?咱们辛辛苦苦发展力量,到最后是帮大明开疆拓土?这叫傻!”
阿德很有点不愉快地叫道,但还没等庞雨开口,边上敖萨扬却先点了点头:
“这不算傻,而且恐怕我们只能这么做。”
面对大家疑问的目光,敖萨扬不慌不忙扶了扶眼镜:
“大家不要忘了——马尼拉城是我们从西班牙人手里硬抢过来的。这时候的西班牙在欧洲正是如日中天,他们绝对不会忍受这种耻辱。虽然不知道具体时间,但有一点可以肯定:南海上不会就此平静的。到时候哪怕仅仅是为了保持从美洲返回欧洲的航线,肯定免不了还要大战几场。如果再把荷兰与英国这次吃亏后的报复心理一同考虑进去……未来我们在这一带要立住脚跟并不是一件很容易的事情,更不用说开疆拓土了。”
阿德哼了一声,他明白敖萨扬的意思——要拉虎皮作大旗,明帝国的旗号绝对比区区一家贸易公司管用。如果他执意不肯让这些领土和大明扯上关系,那到时候也只能面对来自西方大航海国家的威胁。
“更何况,恰恰是由于东印度公司的横征暴敛,我们用贸易公司名义反而很容易引起南海土著的反感,他们会把我们和东印度公司当成同一类货色。相比之下,当年郑和下西洋时多栽花少栽刺,大明帝国在南海一带的名声却要好很多。如果我们用明王朝的名义搞开拓,相信一定可以轻松许多。”
虽然事先没有商量过,敖萨扬的构想居然也跟庞雨差不多,所以他也不多话,只是笑吟吟看着大家。这时候边上徐慧却也皱眉道:
“说是羁縻州一切由我们做主……可如果我们占的地盘多了,明王朝会不会生出其它心思来……什么改土归流之类,记得以前看过的哪本书里谈到过这种情况。”
“那是肯定会有的。”阿德撇了撇嘴,“统治理念的不同,肯定会引起冲突。到时候无非又是搞政治斗争而已,虽说当真闹腾起来也不怕他们,可搅在一起终究嫌烦,所以我才想一开始就各自分开,井水不犯河水……”
“在一个国家的名义之下仍然可以井水不犯河水的……这方面你们应该很有经验。”
敖萨扬脸上忽然显出某种捉狭笑容:
“我想你们都应该比我清楚,邓公所提出的那条著名政策……”
“你是说……天!你要在十七世纪的大明帝国搞一国两制?”
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