一千五百七十八章书生也会拍马屁
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“老子号称太上老君,孔子号称至圣先师,老子和孔子是我国古代的两位圣人,因此至今仍有些人对两位崇拜不已。龙腾小说网ltxs520.com老子说圣人无常心以百姓心为心,可见老子是一位大慈大悲的人,孔子说仁者爱人,可见孔子也是一位悲天悯人的人。”
穆国兴说完这番话,话锋一转又问道:“你对这两位先贤的仁爱是如何理解的?”
这可是个大题目了,郑伟冷不防的被穆国兴给问住了,想了一下才说道:“对于这个问题,不是用一两句话就能够解释的通的,由于时间的关系我只能粗略的向你谈谈我自己的认识。所谓的仁,就是爱民,如何爱民呢?在我认为,这是一个关系到社会稳定和国家发展的大问题。”
穆国兴笑了笑,说道:“我们又不是做学问的,也不用研究很深了,就谈谈你自己的想法。我们如何才能真正做到爱民,如何才能使社会稳定和国家富强起来。”
“我认为,如果要实现真正的爱民,首先就是官员责任制度的建设。责任制度并不是什么深奥的东西,在私有财产领域,责任制度就像家常便饭一样,几乎不成问题了。在前些年我们国家进行了广泛的产权改革,而现在这项改革依然在继续着。但是,在共有财产的领域,大家在认识上就有一些茫然了,也许有些人是表面上的茫然,实际上却是别有用心的,以便于实现对自己有利的财产私有化。”
郑伟谈的是私有制和公有制两个方面的责任制度问题,虽然他现在还没有谈到话题上,但穆国兴知道他讲这些话是在为下面的话做铺垫的,也就没有打断他,微笑着继续听郑伟高谈阔论下去。
郑伟小心翼翼的看了一眼穆国兴,舔了一下嘴唇继续说道:“如要实现真正的爱民,就必须要建立严格的法律条款和规章制度,约束官员手中的公权力,把权力真正置于人民群众的监督之下。而现实则正好相反,我们在电影或者电视剧中,看到有人以权谋私,气愤不已的时候,就会期望有人能出来主持公道,而这个人必定是拥有更大权力的人,这表明,与其说人们是相信法律,毋宁说人们是信仰权力的。虽然表面上看法律与爱民是风马牛不相及,可是仔细的分析起来,却有着巨大和密切的联系。”
看到郑伟说的有些口干,穆国兴做了个请喝茶的手势,笑着说道:“你讲的这些也很有道理,约束公权力,加强人民群众对权力的监督正是中央目前所大力提倡的,但是,要想彻底解决这个问题,也绝非是一朝一夕之功,”
郑伟喝了一口茶,正色说道:“省长,我是一介儒生,可能讲的话不太合乎规矩,但是,今天好容易有了这个机会,我就一吐为快了。我认为现在省政府正在搞的那个依法行政大检查就体现了这一点,这也是一个约束公权力,把政府置身于人民群众和法律监督之下的一个好办法,我相信这一条政策的制定者,肯定是你省长的功劳了。”
穆国兴笑了:“何以见得?”
“第一,从时间上来看,这次的依法行政大检查是你来到广南后才开始的,第二,没有一个宽阔的胸怀,和渊博的知识,没有一副真正为老百姓办实事办好事的仁爱之心,是做不到这一点的。”
谁说书生不会拍马屁,郑伟这个马屁拍的比谁都高明,他这些话算是真正说到穆国兴的心眼里去了。看了看时间,两个人不知不觉已经谈了两个多小时了,穆国兴又笑着说道:“最后一个问题,我们历史上出了很多的政治家,比如说、三国时期的诸葛亮,唐代的李世民,清朝时间的曾国藩,这三个人物你最喜欢哪一个?最不喜欢哪一个?”
郑伟知道,刚才讨论的道德经是从大的方面来考察他的学识的,而拿出这三个历史人物来,那就有点具体的考察一个人的眼光问题了,这个题目如果答的好,这位年轻省长必定是龙颜大悦,如果答的不好,今天这场谈话也就算是白谈了。
对这三个历史人物,确实是仁者见仁智者见智,也不好给他们一个正确的评判,这个时候就要看一个人的眼光了,也是考验一个人政治智慧的时候了。
郑伟略一思忖,一张口就语出惊人:“省长,抛开政治而言,这三个历史人物当中我最讨厌的是诸葛亮,最喜欢的是唐太宗和曾国藩两人当中的一部分。”
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